tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post4783746580450213082..comments2023-11-05T07:44:07.654-05:00Comments on GeniusboyFiremelon: "Batman R.I.P." Part IV: Batman #679 AnnotationsTimothy Callahanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04078183191900311833noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-14750723872371014142010-02-10T08:52:05.925-05:002010-02-10T08:52:05.925-05:00Nice article as for me. I'd like to read somet...Nice article as for me. I'd like to read something more about that topic. The only thing that blog needs is a few pics of any devices.<br />Katherine Trider<br /><a href="http://www.jammer-store.com/" rel="nofollow">Block phone</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-54576753435279137962009-11-17T10:53:49.032-05:002009-11-17T10:53:49.032-05:00Interesting post you got here. I'd like to rea...Interesting post you got here. 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I just wish DC wouldn't drag it out so long!<BR/><BR/> 10:14 AM<BR/><BR/>Muller (Mueller) was the third man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-68696099431156845762008-09-19T18:11:00.000-04:002008-09-19T18:11:00.000-04:00the other thing to remember about the scene in the...the other thing to remember about the scene in the movie theater where "Zorro" is playing, is that one of the two major influences/inspirtions Bob Kane drew on for Batman was Zorro the Fox. Zorro was officially added to the Batman mythos in the 90s as the movie the Wayne family went to see on that fatefull night. <BR/>The other influence Bob Kane used was The Shadow. This was incorperated into Batman on 3 occasions in the 70's when DC owned the right to the Shadow. <BR/> In Batman 673 Morrison pay tribute to the Shadow by having the Batman give forth a horrible and chilling laugh that terrifies Joe Chill and his thugs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-75330117027102566422008-09-05T10:14:00.000-04:002008-09-05T10:14:00.000-04:00You realize all of our theories will be wrong in t...You realize all of our theories will be wrong in the end. Here's another odd thing I noticed. The fake Batmen that have appeared in this storyline had names that rhymed with "Wayne". We had "Vane", "Lane", and the third one I don't remember. Of course, we should just sit back and enjoy the ride. I just wish DC wouldn't drag it out so long!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-50432299613603164342008-08-31T03:27:00.000-04:002008-08-31T03:27:00.000-04:00Untold Legend of the Batman (referenced above) is ...Untold Legend of the Batman (referenced above) is also by Len Wein; so big an influence on Morrison's JLA.<BR/>Batman 121 is (I think) in the Batman in the 50's trade that reprints LOTS of the background to Morrison's run (Zen Er Arrh, Robin Dies At Dawn and the 1st Batmit story). DC send him a comp copy that inspired him you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-49469041805280933662008-08-29T19:57:00.000-04:002008-08-29T19:57:00.000-04:00I've also noticed that, in your Batman 673 notes, ...I've also noticed that, in your Batman 673 notes, you say you don't know if Vane is an older character.<BR/>He is:<BR/>http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=5777<BR/>Batman 121, in Batman Chronicles 6. He's from the story "Commisioner Gordon Walks A Beat", when Gordon was demoted for a bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-11974282968908121552008-08-26T08:16:00.000-04:002008-08-26T08:16:00.000-04:00I wonder if the story in Untold Tales of the Batma...I wonder if the story in Untold Tales of the Batman will play into this. It is, to my knowledge, the last appearance of the First Bat-Man costume and it featured a delusional Batman striking out against himself and ended with Robin using the First Bat-Man costume to shake the shock from Bruce.Henshaw Hasselpuffshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499787255220467497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-71076173454647193162008-08-22T03:10:00.000-04:002008-08-22T03:10:00.000-04:00Maybe it's Robin (Jason Todd)?Or Batman, hm ...Jee...Maybe it's Robin (Jason Todd)?<BR/><BR/>Or Batman, hm ...<BR/><BR/>Jeez, I have no idea, actually. I'm tired and need sleep, ha! I don't think it's the Joker, though, either. <BR/><BR/>@ dan yeager: I dunno about Satan (what?), but Damian ... that's a GOOD point. <BR/><BR/>And I thought it was the Swagman because of that song he was singing, but I looked Springheeled Jack up and he looks exactly like the guy in the comic---NOT Swagman! I'm confused ... I can't freaking find a pic of Swagman, but I know he and Springheeled Jack are two diff. people. Ack!<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I'm hoping the whole "Alfred is Bruce's father" thing is just trash. That's dumb. Maybe Hurt planted the "evidence" to destroy Batman---after all, he knows Bruce Wayne is Batman. ;;shrug;;Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-83932148536950280942008-08-21T19:43:00.000-04:002008-08-21T19:43:00.000-04:00Hi I'm new to this blog, and new to posting, but I...Hi I'm new to this blog, and new to posting, but I just wanted to mention something that caught my eye. On page five you mentioned the checkerboards, I think this might also be an allusion to the silver age, and the DC checkers lining the edges of DC comics. <BR/>Just an idea, but it seems like something Morrison would do!speedreederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00588137493997274203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-4362298623600920352008-08-20T18:11:00.000-04:002008-08-20T18:11:00.000-04:00All I can say is this: I vote for Alfred to be Br...All I can say is this: I vote for Alfred to be Bruce's father and for Thomas Wayne to have been a jerk. I don't want him back alive (though I'd prefer him to Jason Todd), but I love the undermining of the whole Batman origin and hope it'll stick. <BR/><BR/>It almost certainly won't, though, and I don't think Morrison's as into that kind of dark revisionism anymore -- more likely, he's parodying it. But, man, I like me some sick and corrupt Thomas and Martha Wayne.<BR/><BR/>When I was in college, about 20, I wrote a story about a Batman-type who found out that Alfred was behind it all... it made a lot more sense than the "faithful butler" business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-65737938962242160502008-08-19T21:19:00.000-04:002008-08-19T21:19:00.000-04:00Satan?! /churchladyvoiceSatan?! /churchladyvoiceKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03306007866187688971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-30211405566953846572008-08-19T09:02:00.000-04:002008-08-19T09:02:00.000-04:00Does anyone else find it odd that of all the thing...Does anyone else find it odd that of all the things Batman has forgotten, he remembers Jezebel Jet? Or has he somehow recovered his memory by this issue? (He seems to remember all about the Club of Villains.)<BR/><BR/>Also: Why paging Dr. Freud? Is it just the obvious psychiatrist of dreams part of it, or is there a suggestion of something oedipal going on?<BR/><BR/>And Le Bossu--perhaps idiomatically, the Boss--looks more like Hugo Strange in this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-42537173243738917392008-08-18T09:10:00.000-04:002008-08-18T09:10:00.000-04:00"What's that green clingy thing on Bat-Mi..."What's that green clingy thing on Bat-Mite? Anyone have a guess? Is Bat-Mite a puppet of some other force that looks like Gollum with spider arms? What's that about?"<BR/><BR/>A few weeks ago, I posted my theories about what that was here on your forum, but I guess I posted far too late for you to notice.<BR/><BR/>It's at the bottom of this page:<BR/>https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=22842788&postID=3205345692407220791<BR/><BR/>Now, I'll be the first to admit that my theory's really out there, but until this last issue it all seemed to fit. So here's the text of that post, so none of y'alls have to go searching...<BR/><BR/>"One thing I've noticed is that NO ONE is commenting or speculating on the Thing on Batmite's Back. Therefore, here's my theory - <BR/><BR/>It's the Outsider. Look closely at the way the lumps are drawn, and the eerie eyes, and the shape of the smile. This is Alfred's evil, insanely powerful alter-ego from the 60's, which has (mostly) been in remission since that time. He doesn't know that this thing has been inside him, and that his friends and confidants have been hiding the truth from him. Not until he starts typing up the Black Casebook, at least.<BR/><BR/>The Outsider has been brought out of remission twice, each time due to Alfred recieving a sudden shock. Discovering that the man you've been taking care of for his entire life has been lying to you for the past twelve years about something lurking at the core of your being would certainly qualify as a shock. And as something that Batman "deserves" punishment for.<BR/><BR/>The Outsider personality has been physically separated from Alfred on at least one occasion (in Batman Family #13). It may not actually be inside him at the moment, or it could have tweaked his personality enough to have him orchestrate matters from behind the scenes.<BR/><BR/>Now here's where my theory gets really weird:<BR/>Alfred is not only the Outsider.<BR/>Alfred is Batmite.<BR/><BR/>Consider: <BR/>Alfred's subconscious mind has access to incredible power (the Outsider once turned New York City into candles!)<BR/>His subconscious mind knows that it has deeply hurt his good friend Batman, and would probably be remorseful.<BR/>Therefore, it's likely to create another personality to deal with this, one that would be 'helpful' to Batman and would have access to all of the Outsider's considerable powers.<BR/><BR/>We saw a similar situation near the end of Batman: The Animated Series when Harvey Dent's subconscious mind, reeling at how many horrible things he had done as Two-Face, created the second personality of the Judge, which then went out and violently fought crime.<BR/><BR/>Whether Bat-Mite is Alfred or not, we do see the Outsider clinging to him in a seemingly symbiotic manner. I postulate that part of the reason we haven't seen either of them in so long is that they've been keeping each other in check, holding their own secret war for the last several years of Batman's life."<BR/><BR/>By the by, I love the theory about Le Bossu as Professor Milo... thumbs up!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07312337044428742045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-35532687344525300592008-08-18T01:21:00.000-04:002008-08-18T01:21:00.000-04:00The gargoyles were holding a tracking device. It ...The gargoyles were holding a tracking device. It showed whatever they were tracking to be on top of them just as a bird flew overhead. A bird with Batman's tooth tied to it.Henshaw Hasselpuffshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499787255220467497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-79452862705548068012008-08-16T21:15:00.000-04:002008-08-16T21:15:00.000-04:00Why is everyone so certian there really was a trac...Why is everyone so certian there really was a tracking device in Bruces tooth? I kind of took it as he is so raving mad and pariniod that he is mutalating himself while dancing about in his rainbow suit beating people with lead pipes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-49765453254422245552008-08-16T20:12:00.000-04:002008-08-16T20:12:00.000-04:00Posting this here as well as 678's comments so the...Posting this here as well as 678's comments so there's a better chance you can see it:<BR/> One thing you overlooked is that Honor looks like Baron Samedi from Voodoo mythology. The Baron is often portrayed wearing glasses with one lens blacked out- just as Honor has. Further, he is the guardian of the cross roads of death, and Honor rescues Bruce from death by OD in this issue. Add in his comments about salvation, and I think you have a good case for Honor being a ghost of some sort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-20202552143308067212008-08-16T08:31:00.000-04:002008-08-16T08:31:00.000-04:00Is it just me, or is it supposed to look like the ...Is it just me, or is it supposed to look like the bat on the final page is transparent/illusory?Scott Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239391361895323698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-67573998452691016592008-08-16T01:36:00.000-04:002008-08-16T01:36:00.000-04:00I think it's death. Or Death. Don't know if or h...I think it's death. Or Death. Don't know if or how, in the end, GM will personify Death, but he has said that all along it's been right in front of us and is a villain everyone knows. "Batman and Robin will never die," what does this mean? Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same person but one day, Bruce Wayne will die, for real. It's just that people dying and talking about it and getting killed and coming back happens so much in comics world that hardly anyone is treating it in a serious way any more. Notice Jezebel Jet (what a name.. unfortunate) saying "Bruce, what if it's you?" I don't think he has come to terms with death or accepted it and lived accordingly, maybe this is what Morrison is on about. And with that, what drives him as a response to the deaths of his parents (guilt? why? he is not responsible) and fears of causing the deaths of others (Robin included). I expect the things I Ching says to Robin and Nightwing in the R'as Al Ghul story are very important in this regard.<BR/><BR/>Some wild guesses and speculation: the scene the Joker imagines of Nightwing/Robin/Gordon dead, that will -appear- to come to pass in this "Danse Macabre" gathering, at least to see what it does to Batman (killing his family all over again). Will he blame himself for others' deaths and quit being Batman, either by giving it up, or by breaking his code and taking revenge by killing? Another: in parallel to those three evil Batmen, that Batman has three sons in a way, Nightwing, Robin, and Damien, and they are all worthy to be super heroes, though there will never be another Batman, but that is all right. Another: GM will try to force Bruce to fundamentally change (balance?) his connection to the deaths of his parents, because being driven by guilt and revenge is no life at all. And I suppose due to all that has happened in the past few years it may seem to Bruce that his death may be coming very soon, and he's afraid of it and obsessed with it because he isn't ready (this is what he says when the "Black Glove" appears at the end of #677). After all he can take every precautionary measure and solve every puzzle but he is not immortal. On a sidenote it seems GM is giving a lot of nods to the value of writing and imagination (it is "unforeseen" and strange for a young boy to invent Batman) and of keeping a record of things that may never happen again. IMHO Bruce should really own the Batman as something great that he has created, instead of treating Batman as the result of psychological trauma that always threatens to become out and out madness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-12242170360122261242008-08-15T00:13:00.000-04:002008-08-15T00:13:00.000-04:00Note that Morrison gave names in #663 to the two d...Note that Morrison gave names in #663 to the two diminutive henchmen from "The Killing Joke": Solomon and Sheba. There is a very strong biblical parallel between that couple, on the one hand, and Ahab and Jezebel on the other. Jezebel turned Ahab from Yahweh to her religion. Solomon turned Sheba from her religion to Yahweh. Another Ahab is also referenced in #676 with the "Call me Ishmael" line. The Moby Dick Ahab is obsessed with an enemy who happens to have white skin. Sound like anyone we know -- white-skinned enemy and a girl named Jezebel?<BR/><BR/>Joker kills Solomon with his red/black flowers. Batman saves Sheba from Harley. Somehow foreshadowing what's coming?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-72270692990242550942008-08-14T23:16:00.000-04:002008-08-14T23:16:00.000-04:00"2) Satan means tempter, which would tie in with J..."2) Satan means tempter, which would tie in with Jezebel, also temptress, no?"<BR/><BR/>And also tie in with Batman: Gothic in a way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-50233822296321737392008-08-14T19:00:00.000-04:002008-08-14T19:00:00.000-04:00Just found this blog, thanks for the great review,...Just found this blog, thanks for the great review, I read the comic myself but you pointed out some stuff I missed.<BR/><BR/> BTW; I think the Mite told Batman to look for a recent scar on his body to find the tracking device, I assume that there was a scar on Batman's gum or a recent filling in his tooth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-78051087517164136792008-08-14T14:48:00.000-04:002008-08-14T14:48:00.000-04:00I'd love it if the Black Glove was Darkside, as im...I'd love it if the Black Glove was Darkside, as improbable as that is.Arturo Uliseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06271843680584961672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-32291627790302878302008-08-14T12:38:00.000-04:002008-08-14T12:38:00.000-04:00The Devil idea goes back before part one of RIP:ht...The Devil idea goes back before part one of RIP:<BR/>http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/message.jspa?messageID=2004596334<BR/><BR/>Did everyone notice that the marquis on the theatre where Batman's been operating reads "The Mask of Zorro" (with missing letters)? This is the same theatre he went to that fateful night.<BR/><BR/>Other big reveal that's been slipping out: Hurt is not the leader of the villains. Most likely, Le Bossu is. The first page of RIP (after the six months later page) shows Le Bossu driving in a coach; he killed his driver and took over the coach. That's a metaphor for his role in the whole thing. Moreover, there's a good chance that the surprising return of a character in the solicit was to be to show that Le Bossu is actually Hugo Strange.<BR/><BR/>Yet another: Go back to #667. The Musketeer gives a long, extraneous speech about accidentally killing his enemy and ending up in an asylum facing not one but two of his deadliest enemies. That was a foreshadowing of this WHOLE thing, the same way that the first page of DKR foreshadows that whole story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-22016904449251836002008-08-14T11:27:00.000-04:002008-08-14T11:27:00.000-04:00Regarding Bat-Mite and Charlie Caligula, I asked T...Regarding Bat-Mite and Charlie Caligula, I asked Tony Daniels about it on his blog and he said the script was written to be uncertain about what it is exactly Charlie sees and he drew it as such.<BR/><BR/>I think the art has been pretty great so far. My one complain would be that in the first action panel where we see buckshot flying through Batman's cape it looks a bit like it's hitting him in the chest and even then that seems like a hard angle to have to draw. But other then that I haven't even been confused by the art and I'm really loving it, more then I have on Batman in a long while.Henshaw Hasselpuffshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499787255220467497noreply@blogger.com