tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post1502471169061903914..comments2023-11-05T07:44:07.654-05:00Comments on GeniusboyFiremelon: All the Scientists Are Running Around: Batman #682 ReviewTimothy Callahanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04078183191900311833noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-20667095040188311432008-12-11T15:32:00.000-05:002008-12-11T15:32:00.000-05:00And, I don't have a problem with Dan Turpin gettin...And, I don't have a problem with Dan Turpin getting Darkseided out, but it really should have been Didio that the God of Evil came through to truly "metatextualize" things proper-like!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-16522578867731962392008-12-11T15:30:00.000-05:002008-12-11T15:30:00.000-05:00Well, the way I understand it is...helicopter cras...Well, the way I understand it is...helicopter crash, Final Crisis is a week later...and the Batman and Robin six months later, taking down Le Bossu? Well, guess what, that's not Bruce as Batman. Not saying Batman dies, because Grant said it's a fate worse than that (so he can come back later after we give one of the kids a shot).<BR/>Also, most of Grant's Batman is about alternate Batmen, which just so happens to show why the original is the best. So, why not have another Azrael or Nightwing as Batman. Then Nightwing realizes, "Hey! I don't like being Batman, I'm my own man!" <BR/>Just in time for Bruce's recovery!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-16509290997683835752008-12-10T23:56:00.000-05:002008-12-10T23:56:00.000-05:00The new issue of Final Crisis makes clear that Dar...The new issue of Final Crisis makes clear that Darkseid's fall is crushing Space-Time on Earth. So, Batman separates from the helicopter, gets out of the water, then <BR/>*<I>bwoip</I>*<BR/>he's on the JLA satellite getting grabbed by the Alpha Lantern.<BR/><BR/>Also, shipping delays? <I>It's because <B>evil won</B>.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-83607261691433175502008-12-09T17:44:00.000-05:002008-12-09T17:44:00.000-05:00What am I missing with the Kathy Kane stuff. Is t...What am I missing with the Kathy Kane stuff. Is that all made up for this issue? What is Robin talking about when he says he knew about her? What's that death scene with the big worm thing? That wasn't in any Crisis I don't think.Garlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03453366944819816207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-45735785324163353652008-12-09T11:43:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:43:00.000-05:00In case anyone's interested, here's amypoodle's th...In case anyone's interested, <A HREF="http://mindlessones.com/2008/12/09/batman-682-im-warning-you-mozza/" REL="nofollow">here's amypoodle's thoughts on #682</A><BR/><BR/>Thank you for your indulgence, TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-13944087092184785632008-12-08T23:42:00.000-05:002008-12-08T23:42:00.000-05:00Maybe it ties RIP to FC because Dr. Hurt was a pre...Maybe it ties RIP to FC because Dr. Hurt was a previous meat suit for the big D? Before Turpin?<BR/><BR/>Nah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-77543703383452519912008-12-08T15:47:00.000-05:002008-12-08T15:47:00.000-05:00Joe Chill in Hell: Every retelling of the story I...Joe Chill in Hell: Every retelling of the story I could find is that Chill is shot by other people. Batman never leads him to suicide, regardless of what he might intend (in Barr's Year Two, for instance).<BR/><BR/>Could Morrison's twist there be significant to what comes later?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-78271880621194760752008-12-08T15:28:00.000-05:002008-12-08T15:28:00.000-05:00Just throwing this out there, but what if the even...Just throwing this out there, but what if the events that happened in Final Crisis actually happened before R.I.P.? I think it's possible that Bruce has been in the lump-seat (or whatever it's called) this whole time.<BR/><BR/>Consider Morrison's run thus far. He's got almost a "real-world" Batman mythos going. Bruce's Black Casebook, his book of unsolved mysteries, contains events in his superhero career that he can't logically wrap his head around. Stuff like aliens and supernatural events (even though Batman and all the rest are constantly exposed to that stuff on an almost daily basis) are things Morrison's Batman is still unsure of. In this world, Batman's a costumed hero and detective; he battles the criminal element and the mentally deranged. Space adventures and spirits are not part of his norm.<BR/><BR/>Hurt's outing as the devil (maybe) goes against the structure of Morrison's vision of Batman. Why would he spend so much time logically explaining all of these elements in Bruce's past, but then make the big villain some mysterious supernatural force of evil? To me, that seems like the opposite of what Morrision's been trying to do all along.<BR/><BR/>But if Final Crisis came first, if events in R.I.P. were a result of the evil gods trying to infiltrate Bruce's mind as they're doing right now, then it kind of makes sense. Hurt's not actually the Devil, he's a manifestation of whatever bad guy's driving around in Batman's head, working to coax Bruce into surrendering and joining this ultimate evil.<BR/><BR/>Personally I hope this isn't the case. I hate "it was all a dream..." stories with a passion. But it makes sense to me, and it also accounts for the sudden jump from helicopter crash to now. That could have been Bruce essentially defeating the hostile take-over of his mind, and this new story line featuring Alfred could be the second attempt, a reboot attack. Also, it's not clear how long Batman's been missing in the DCU either. Characters in the other Bat-books say that he's "gone," but not supposedly dead.<BR/><BR/>But if all else fails, I still blame Alfred.Juddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06968169051852780125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-80115376272054727232008-12-06T20:27:00.000-05:002008-12-06T20:27:00.000-05:00I was just thinking that Final Crisis immediately ...I was just thinking that Final Crisis immediately comes after RIP chronologically, but you're right that FC is supposedly 6 months after. <BR/><BR/>My feeling is that the six month disappearance will be explained, but I don't super much care if it does. I can understand how reasonable men might disagree, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-90323376638323276732008-12-06T04:30:00.000-05:002008-12-06T04:30:00.000-05:00"Here is, I think, a logical response to those won..."Here is, I think, a logical response to those wondering about how Batman got from the helicopter crash in the water to Final Crisis: He popped his head out of the water, didn't die. That's all.<BR/><BR/>So, why didn't we see this scene, you ask? We didn't need to. We readers who expect this "death of Batman" to be explained are doing so for reasons outside the story that we've read. Those reasons are because of interviews with GM and previews of storylines to come."<BR/><BR/>Eh? There's a six month gap between where Bruce goes into the water and where Batman (presumably not Bruce) emerges back onto the scene....this is according to the first page of and end of RIP. Nothing to do with interviews etc. Batman is not beating down on bad guys for 6 months...why? <BR/><BR/>So Bruce goes from being Batman to not being Batman and getting captured in final crisis...thats a hugely relevant to the character jump that hasnt been dealt with.....Morrison has one issue to go.....we know Bruce goes away but we know he is back as Batman by the time of final crisis.....I have a horrible feeling that final crisis and RIP are not going to sync up and its pretty unforgiveable if it doesnt now that a final crisis tie in has directly followed RIP's last issue (there's been certain high profile precedents at DC recently). I mean its possible the event that causes Bruce to stop being Batman is final crisis itself and that the helicopter crash was just well.....a needlessly confusing ending.....help me out here.<BR/><BR/>as for the "whats a review anyway" argument I can tell you quite categorically that its not a review unless its given a score involving marks out of 10.0 or 100/stars/thumbs up and there is definetly a discernible difference in quality between a comic that scores 7.3 and 7.4 out of ten. I mean, there has to be right? Otherwise they'd be randomly just picking numbers out of their head and that just wouldnt be cool....right?.....guys?...come back here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-20548662464419005692008-12-06T02:24:00.000-05:002008-12-06T02:24:00.000-05:00I'm of the camp "if you like something, it is good...I'm of the camp "if you like something, it is good" -- because we define our own universes. If you like it, for whatever the reason, it's good TO YOU. I like reading reviews that have a personal bent to them, where we see how the reviewer was moved, or angered, or felt joy, because of the thing being discussed. You can get a plot summary anywhere, even some symbolic analysis. But what is in your heart -- that is unique to you. If you like something, then for you, it HAS quality.<BR/><BR/>And my trick worked.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858465228077926840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-6035347066239452662008-12-05T19:59:00.000-05:002008-12-05T19:59:00.000-05:00Jordan: I liked it a lot, actually. I probably w...Jordan: I liked it a lot, actually. I probably would have given it 3 1/2 stars if I was doing a CBR review.<BR/><BR/>A) I don't believe a review should be whether a critic liked a book or not, but whether or not he thought it was any good. However, the two are usually linked, but not always. Because a bad review, in my opinion, would be one that says critical things about the art and story but gave a "positive" review because the book made the critic remember a time from summer camp twenty years ago and those fond memories made him like the book. So "liking" and quality are not necessarily related.<BR/><BR/>But I really didn't want to do a normal review for this Batman comic, because, well, just because it is what it is.Timothy Callahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078183191900311833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-11182115065938034512008-12-05T18:40:00.000-05:002008-12-05T18:40:00.000-05:00Good to see some agreement (FrF!) on how good this...Good to see some agreement (FrF!) on how good this was. <BR/><BR/>Here is, I think, a logical response to those wondering about how Batman got from the helicopter crash in the water to Final Crisis: He popped his head out of the water, didn't die. That's all.<BR/><BR/>So, why didn't we see this scene, you ask? <I>We didn't need to.</I> We readers who expect this "death of Batman" to be explained are doing so <B>for reasons outside the story that we've read.</B> Those reasons are because of interviews with GM and previews of storylines to come.<BR/><BR/>Getting back to 682, I noted at the Funnybook Babylon comments that the Bat-Radia's presence in Bruce's "memories" is the clearest indication that he is still fighting against his captors inside his head. This is why, in his supposed life story, we see so many <B>false</B> moments. 1. Mothman/Snakeman; 2. Hamlet; 3. Parents live; and lesser maybe-fictions (laughing contest, Bat-Radia, The Eraser, "HOLY SEA PLANE DISPLAY...!, etc).<BR/><BR/>The fact that Batman is doing this is just so damn cool! Again, GM is kicking much butt. His imagination is, like, the fifth dimension!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-46145498059507936922008-12-05T18:24:00.000-05:002008-12-05T18:24:00.000-05:00Ok...I'm going to guess you didn't like it. In fa...Ok...I'm going to guess you didn't like it. In fact, I think you HATED it.<BR/><BR/>1) It does not matter to me if you liked it or not.<BR/><BR/>2) It does not affect my enjoyment whether you liked it or not.<BR/><BR/>But: <BR/><BR/>A) I am curious if you liked it or not, unless I'm mistaken what a "review" is?Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858465228077926840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-42101699672064432542008-12-05T17:54:00.000-05:002008-12-05T17:54:00.000-05:00I liked this issue and it works really well into t...I liked this issue and it works really well into the context of final crisis but there's still the small matter of the gap between the cliched helicopter crash and batman getting taken by granny in final crisis...he's (Bruce) wearing the cape in final crisis so battle for the cowl is over (which presumably takes place in the six month gap at the end of RIP) and he's back in business...if Morrison doesnt deal with this in the next issue does he get a chance to deal with it all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-38621812846487889512008-12-05T12:43:00.000-05:002008-12-05T12:43:00.000-05:00Joe Chill in HELL = Devil connection?But no, I do ...Joe Chill in HELL = Devil connection?<BR/><BR/>But no, I do think there's some details about Thomas Wayne/Batman's origin that Morrison has yet to reveal.Timothy Callahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078183191900311833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-1975289704449933592008-12-05T09:27:00.000-05:002008-12-05T09:27:00.000-05:00Tim:Seems to me that the big gaping hole in figuri...Tim:<BR/><BR/>Seems to me that the big gaping hole in figuring at least how the pieces start to fit together is "Joe Chill in Hell." After that, I think a lot of people--including you (and me)--figured that Chill would have to play some part in RIP. Yet from what I can tell, nothing seems to be suggested.<BR/><BR/>If all the stories fit together, this really seems to be the one where it hasn't been tied in yet. Any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-80545486783291121352008-12-05T09:19:00.000-05:002008-12-05T09:19:00.000-05:00John:"I thought this issue was an artistic triumph...John:<BR/><BR/>"I thought this issue was an artistic triumph."<BR/><BR/>Me, too. <BR/><BR/>All I'm saying is "Micro-Sleeps"! (Alfred: "Sigh")<BR/><BR/>I'm not the least bothered about being confused as to what's really going on which narrative plain in Morrison's run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-29057327509581474122008-12-05T08:54:00.000-05:002008-12-05T08:54:00.000-05:00I don't understand why people say this is the conn...I don't understand why people say this is the connection between RIP and FC, for me, it's all FC, and no RIP at alldeliriumtriggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10355097677533074363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-51330750992557479822008-12-05T02:53:00.000-05:002008-12-05T02:53:00.000-05:00Jordan: Exactly.(I'll let the review stand on its ...Jordan: Exactly.<BR/><BR/>(I'll let the review stand on its own. Do you THINK I liked it? Does it matter to you if I liked it or not? Does that affect your own ability to like it or not like it?)Timothy Callahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078183191900311833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-52600840734185497882008-12-05T00:38:00.000-05:002008-12-05T00:38:00.000-05:00Your reviews are as cryptic as Morrison's run. DI...Your reviews are as cryptic as Morrison's run. DID YOU LIKE IT?Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858465228077926840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-24693713113247867222008-12-04T21:14:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:14:00.000-05:00It makes my head hurt to try to understand the rec...It makes my head hurt to try to understand the recent Batman plots. I just don't care!<BR/><BR/>However, I do agree that the cover is one of the coolest comics covers I have ever seen, and definitely Ross's best.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423051076809524563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-67960567979188398352008-12-04T20:24:00.000-05:002008-12-04T20:24:00.000-05:00I liked seeing those early years revisited in this...I liked seeing those early years revisited in this issue. For whatever reason, DC doesn't publish comics featuring Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson very often, which is a shame because I think this issue shows very clearly that they have one of the best dynamics in comics. (Yes, I know there's All Star, but 1. that comic doesn't qualify for "very often" and 2. I'd rather not go there.)<BR/><BR/>I like this cover, but personally the next issue's cover is probably my favorite Ross cover yet on Batman. I'd love to see that one printed as a poster.Kris Krausehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328386608038924213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-34758316068442841592008-12-04T19:20:00.000-05:002008-12-04T19:20:00.000-05:00I thought this issue was an artistic triumph. It ...I thought this issue was an artistic triumph. It completely obliterated that anticlimax and lack of explication from the previous issue, rendered them irrelevant in my mind and heart. So much so that I feel the need to communicate this with strangers.<BR/><BR/>70 years (well,45-ish) of Batman in one issue, coherent, and it drops a bomb at the end that can <B>only</B> blow up if you've been reading this artist's work <I>every month this year!</I> The way this tied in to FC was shocking and perfect. Bravo! Props! Big ups!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22842788.post-74012470160293182782008-12-04T19:18:00.000-05:002008-12-04T19:18:00.000-05:00I rather enjoy the cover as well.I rather enjoy the cover as well.Chad Nevetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11785622045733202883noreply@blogger.com